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Kevin M
March 28th, 2006, 04:19 AM
Well today was my first day of training for conductor (train service) in Spokane, all I can say is WOW, I guess I really do not know that much about how railroads are run.
The first day was alot of paperwork, a couple of videos including a musical about BNSF's history, and the classic sexual harassment video. We also covered some saftey rules and GCOR rules and learned some hand signals. All in all I can see this is going to be a very busy 16 weeks.
Kevin D Mumaw

Kodiak67
March 28th, 2006, 04:50 AM
Congrats on starting the job. My first day is next Monday in Sioux City, IA., as Conductor. I'm looking forward to it. It should be fun and lots of hard work.

Eric

[ March 28, 2006, 07:29 AM: Message edited by: Kodiak67 ]

Charlie
March 28th, 2006, 03:23 PM
Break a leg! both of you!

I'm sure you will both do well. If you have a question or need a "heads-up" , I am as close
as e-mail

Charlie

(retired BNSF conductor & engineer)

BoxcabE50
March 28th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Kevin-

Is your training taking place in Spokane?

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Boxcab E50

Adam Woods
March 28th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Congarts to both of you, and welcome to BNSF. The 16 weeks is hard but the trainers want you to pass and will do what they can to help you out. (within reason). I hired out as a conductor in July 05 so the class room is still fairly fresh in my mind, if you have a questions feel free to ask.
Adam

Kevin M
March 28th, 2006, 10:06 PM
Yes my training is taking place in Spokane, and also at Hauser ID.
Kevin D Mumaw

Mike Hackbarth
March 29th, 2006, 12:37 AM
Congrats to both of you ! I will be watching this thread VERY CLOSELY to see what I'm getting into (hopefully). Wouldn't want waste $6000

Kevin M
March 29th, 2006, 05:24 AM
I will post when I do something differant or interesting, today was just like yesterday but tommorow we get to take a tour of the yard and latter this week we get to start switching cars.
Kevin

Jim Wiggin
March 29th, 2006, 12:44 PM
Thanks and good luck guys, keep us posted.

marcus J
March 29th, 2006, 10:06 PM
If you run across a guy named Kevin Hubber on the extra board, tell him Marcus said hi! He hired out with me march of 05 at UnionPacific in Arkansas. His brother is a conductor at BNSF. He hired on BNSF later to get closer to his family. By the way, do you guys mark up at 80% or 100% pay there?

BoxcabE50
April 4th, 2006, 07:51 PM
So, how is the training coming along?

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Boxcab E50

Kevin M
April 5th, 2006, 12:21 AM
Well this week is pretty boring, lots of class work and the instructor is very "by the book" so it makes for a long day. Last thursday friday and saturday we did get some intro to switching and used some hand signals and rode frieght cars and GP39E 2741around in the day and night time.
Kevin D Mumaw

BoxcabE50
April 5th, 2006, 12:46 AM
Glad to hear your instructor is "by the book." Those tons of steel you'll be working with are quite unforgiving of any mistakes. We need a healthy correspondent!

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Boxcab E50

Mike Hackbarth
April 5th, 2006, 12:57 AM
Just want know, have you or anyone else read the GCOR rules BEFORE you started class or has it been a big shock to you about how much you have to read ? I'm currently reading the air brakes and handling rules graemlins/snoring.gif Just hope my advanced reading of the rules will help me out ;)

HemiAdda2d
April 5th, 2006, 01:21 AM
Does it make War & Peace look like a 'Cliff Notes' pamplet?

Charlie
April 5th, 2006, 03:19 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Hackbarth:
[QB] I'm currently reading the air brakes and handling rules

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If you intend to go into engineer training, you
will dream in ABTH rules!!!

I garronteee it!

Charlie

HemiAdda2d
April 5th, 2006, 05:16 AM
Is that anything like my dreaming of running my N scale trains thru the Tunnel District of the Moffat Route? ;)

Adam Woods
April 5th, 2006, 06:42 AM
Ahhhhhh, No.
graemlins/LOL.gif ;)
Adam

Kevin M
April 8th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Wow, I am really glad last week is over, they shoved alot of info down our throghts but thanks to alot of studying I was one of only 2 (of 11) to get above 90% on the test yesterday. If I had the chance to study before I began training I would work on the GCOR, and System Special Instructions. We also did a big thing on Haz Mat but it was pretty self explanitory and the test was open book. Next week we start 5 weeks of working in the yards and some locals, that I am looking forward to.
Kevin D Mumaw

lashedup
April 14th, 2006, 03:51 PM
Keep up with the reports. Its always interesting for those of us not in the industry to learn more about it. I think it helps make us better modelers and appreciate what goes into all of it.

Kevin M
April 15th, 2006, 03:41 AM
Well the past 4 days I have been working with veteran crews. From what they have told me I have been doing pretty good for a FNG and after several days the switch lists finally makes sense and I have gotten pretty good at pulling pins. I did try and run the engine through a switch today and the forman gave me some crap for it but they know that we will make mistakes and they just want us to learn from them. Anyways they have us on a 6 day schedual and after being on a industry local for the past 2 with lots of walking I am pretty tierd. I will post updates whenever I get a chance or a spare moment.
Kevin D Mumaw

Kodiak67
May 1st, 2006, 03:07 PM
Its been a learning experience here in Sioux City. The first week was part classroom and learning some basics over in one of the smaller yards. The second week was all classroom work going over some GCOR and doing the HAZMAT. Then the last two weeks we have been working various shifts in the yard on different jobs. We have this week yet out in the yard then we start going on road trips for two weeks heading up to Willmar, MN. and Mitchell, SD.. After that we go back to the classroom again for another week of GCOR.

One thing I learned the other day was to pay attention to which direction the Switch Engine is facing when you need them to take it ahead or bring'em back. I needed a pin the other day and told the engineer to slack'em back and next thing I noticed was the pulling away from me, so I stopped the engineer and thats when when I noticed which way the engine was facing.

We also just got done with 3 days of rain. I learned alot over those days as being the FNG on the crew I got to do alot while the rest instructed me from the cab of the Engine.

As time goes by I will try to give another update.

Adam Woods
May 1st, 2006, 09:26 PM
One thing I learned the other day was to pay attention to which direction the Switch Engine is facing when you need them to take it ahead or bring'em back. I needed a pin the other day and told the engineer to slack'em back and next thing I noticed was the pulling away from me, so I stopped the engineer and thats when when I noticed which way the engine was facing.

It's happened to all of us.
Adam

Kevin M
May 2nd, 2006, 12:38 AM
I also have made the wrong way mistake. I have also learned that even though the SD9's we use in the yard look cool and seem neat, they are some of the biggest plies we have, if you couple them to hard the remotes shut down, there a pain to kick cars with cause they can not handle speeding up and stopping quick enough, and they seem to be falling apart. Next week I get to do a couple road trips so I am looking forward to that.
Kevin

Charlie
May 3rd, 2006, 11:23 PM
hint for you new guys....(remember I was a trainman too!)
Forget directions (N,S,E,W) unless you are absolutely certain. The engineer should always know where you are and he should know where
he is. If you need pin slack, just tell him"slack my way". Same if you want to make a joint... #1234 bring 'em 3 cars my way to a joint"

ALWAYS,ALWAYS,ALWAYS(did I say ALWAYS?) give "big" hand and/or
lantern signals. As an engineer I cant see your signal if your hand is too
close to your body and what looks like a lantern signal may be your lantern jiggling while you are trying to lite your smoke!
Dont be ashamed and dont let other guys tease you about it! Give BIG
signals. If you are controlling the move, it is YOUR call, tell the other guys to "stuff it".

Kevin, dont worry too much about the switches. Most of them are
"floppers" and believe me, you WILL flop more than just a couple in your
RR career. Same with derails, you may luck out and just jump the derail
without going on the ground. Dont intentionally do it and dont think that
you can get away with flopping a switch. It WILL happen! That's just the way it is. Every engineer will most likely get past a red board at least once in his career, hopefully it wont be a flagrant violation or a
fatal one!

Charlie T

Jim Wiggin
May 4th, 2006, 02:37 AM
I have also learned that even though the SD9's we use in the yard look cool and seem neat, they are some of the biggest plies we have, if you couple them to hard the remotes shut down, there a pain to kick cars with cause they can not handle speeding up and stopping quick enough, and they seem to be falling apart.

I have found that the very thing us modelers revere, the actual prototypes are far from it in the Prototype world. I once talked to an old hand about Alcos, RS3's in particular. He hated them and always tried to get an EMD on his assignment. I've talked to a few Engineers on BNSF and a lot of them hated the GP60M's, poor ride bad layout of the "desk" and a $##@ poor switching engine, exactly what some are used for now. Railroads are known for keeping dinosaurs on the road as long as they can still earn their keep.

If the new BNSF ES44's and SD70ACe's were starships, they would be the Enterprise E, then your SD9 would be the original Enterprise:teeth:

doofus
May 4th, 2006, 08:25 PM
hint for you new guys....(remember I was a trainman too!)
Forget directions (N,S,E,W) unless you are absolutely certain. The engineer should always know where you are and he should know where
he is. If you need pin slack, just tell him"slack my way". Same if you want to make a joint... #1234 bring 'em 3 cars my way to a joint"

ALWAYS,ALWAYS,ALWAYS(did I say ALWAYS?) give "big" hand and/or
lantern signals. As an engineer I cant see your signal if your hand is too
close to your body and what looks like a lantern signal may be your lantern jiggling while you are trying to lite your smoke!
Dont be ashamed and dont let other guys tease you about it! Give BIG
signals. If you are controlling the move, it is YOUR call, tell the other guys to "stuff it".

Kevin, dont worry too much about the switches. Most of them are
"floppers" and believe me, you WILL flop more than just a couple in your
RR career. Same with derails, you may luck out and just jump the derail
without going on the ground. Dont intentionally do it and dont think that
you can get away with flopping a switch. It WILL happen! That's just the way it is. Every engineer will most likely get past a red board at least once in his career, hopefully it wont be a flagrant violation or a
fatal one!

Charlie T

Last I heard, if you use the terminology "my way" or "your way" you will get an efficiency test failure!!! It will also be considered a "Level S " rules violation!! The ONLY ACCEPTABLE choices for directions are "Ahead" and "Back Up". This was mandated by the FRA in conjunction with SOFA!! (Switching Operations Fatality Analysis).

Charlie
May 6th, 2006, 04:52 AM
[QUOTE=doofus]Last I heard, if you use the terminology "my way" or "your way" you will get an efficiency test failure!!!

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I got an efficiency test failure letter from the dipstick TM in Rochelle
cuz I was the brakeman on a Chicago/Savanna IL manifest freight and
he claims that we failed to whistle and/or improperly whistled for some
road X-ings. As a brakeman, I dont get to blow the whistle, however the whole crew gets dunning letters!

Dunno if they'll get a whole lotta people to use that "Ahead or "Backup"
BS. The carriers STILL haven't stopped guys from getting on/off moving
equipment, or riding on crossover platforms, or riding brake on "kicked"
cars.(I used to like to do that!)

CT

Adam Woods
May 6th, 2006, 05:45 AM
I got an efficiency test failure letter from the dipstick TM in Rochelle
cuz I was the brakeman on a Chicago/Savanna IL manifest freight and
he claims that we failed to whistle and/or improperly whistled for some
road X-ings. As a brakeman, I dont get to blow the whistle, however the whole crew gets dunning letters!

CT

From what I understand the whistle thing is becoming a level S rule violation (the 9th deadly sin maybe). And it will be the whole crew, a bumb rap for a brakeman if you ask me. Guess you'll have to fight your conductor for the button on that side or stand behind the engineer and make sure he/she does it right.
Adam

SDP45
May 10th, 2006, 01:01 AM
Kevin,
I was at the Havana St. crossing of the railyard at Yardley today in Spokane. There were a few trainees out in the yard between 10:30-11:00am. Were you one of them?
The switcher today was an odd combination of an old extended cab BN GP50/SW1000. Very odd to hear them rev up at different rates.

Kevin M
May 11th, 2006, 03:46 AM
Dan, yesterday I was in Pasco on my first road trip, I went down there monday night and got back this morning.
They have been running that SW10/GP50 combo around yardley for nearly a week, it does not make sense to me, I do not see why they don't put a GP38 or GP39 with it and use the GP50 for locals.
Kevin

Kevin M
June 20th, 2006, 01:17 AM
It has been a while since I posted a update but here goes....
I am now in week 13, week 13 consists of RCO and Hostler training with a pass or get fired test as the end of the week! I have finished all of my road trips now with 2 to Whitefish and Wenatchee, and 6-8 to Pasco.
Whitefish was definitly the most senice and even though it is the longets run at 250 miles I still had my fastest trip of them all with a running time of 5.25 hours. Wenatchee was also a cool run and on a Z train you could really zip along out there. I did the most trips to Pasco because that is the run I will do the most if I can even hold a road job. It took anywhere from 6-12 hours to make the run with the most time being taken up just trying to get through Spokane and Lakeside Jct, sometimes up to 6 hours.
All in all it was alot of fun and very interesting but now I need to buckle down for the next 3 weeks and study, study, study.
Kevin

Mike Hackbarth
June 20th, 2006, 02:47 AM
Good Luck. I'll be starting at N.A.R.S next monday so hope to be adding any tips I can come up with also:teeth:

Kevin M
July 17th, 2006, 03:38 AM
Well I am done now, we took our final test a week and a half ago and it went a lot better then I had planned. Everyone form my class passed and I got (accidentally) the first 100% anyone in Spokane can remember. So that was cool. Then this last week I got my RCO qualification. Now we are in extended training and when we are done with that we will be off to all points in the NW because they overhired in Spokane but can not hire enough on the coast. My wife is not happy about that and either am I but hopefully some jobs will open up soon.
Kevin

HemiAdda2d
July 17th, 2006, 03:48 AM
Great job, Kevin!!!
Good luck with your new career--keep us posted,a nd pics are always welcome. Good to hear from you again!

Mike H,
How'd your training turn out?

BoxcabE50
July 17th, 2006, 05:08 AM
Glad to know you've passed! Good luck with your new career!

:D

Boxcab E50

sp4009
July 17th, 2006, 10:04 AM
It's hard having to bounce around after you hire out, but you'll get used to it and like me probably enjoy it. It will give you a chance to learn things from different groups of rails. After I hired out, I worked out of seven different terminals on and off over two years until I could hold year round in Bakersfield. The first winter that I didn't have to chase my job I actually missed it.
If you make it over to Hauser, tell JT James, JE Pfeifer, CJ Davis, TL Williams and JE McKeen that Joe from Bakersfield says "Hi".

Congrats and good luck,

Charlie
July 17th, 2006, 02:57 PM
Congratulations Kevin, I hope you don't get bounced around too much.

I've been burned by that demon "forced" a few times. I didn't like it, but
its part of the seniority process. I"forced" myself to Galesburg once, but
came back as soon as jobs opened up in my regular home terminal.

Hang in there!

CT

Jim Wiggin
July 17th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Kevin, congrats on making the grade! Please keep us informed, I'm looking into BNSF myself.

Charlie, Galesburg is where I would like to be, no opening right now though.

Mike Hackbarth
July 25th, 2006, 10:32 PM
Mike H,
How'd your training turn out?

Started GCOR training this week. Already done with yard. 100+ degrees for the week we were out there. Of course wouldn't you know it, it cools down to the 80's-90's after we come back to the classroom. Passed the hostler exam. Interviews are on thursday. My final (for GCOR) is on the 3rd of August. Two classes have already had their GCOR test. One class had an almost 50% failure rate.:omg: Claims it's from a stuttering teacher that couldn't teach worth $hit.:angry: That teacher is in Oregon this week. So if your from there and run across him..... BNSF is watching him from all the complaints. So far I've had teachers from TX, KS, and now La Cross WI. Next week we have another teacher. All of them have had to go to Gillette WY to teach up there for a week.:unsure8ao: Most teachers have been pretty good. Well that's it from NARS for now......

HemiAdda2d
July 25th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Great to hear from you, stay hydrated, and good luck!

Mike Hackbarth
July 25th, 2006, 11:05 PM
Thanks, Ill be around

BoxcabE50
July 25th, 2006, 11:07 PM
That temperature drop must be one of Murphy's Laws. As soon as you go back outside again.... :omg:

Good luck with those teachers. Some folks have a lot of knowledge. But just aren't the best at passing it along. :sad:

:thumbs_up:

Boxcab E50

Charlie
July 26th, 2006, 03:17 AM
[QUOTE=Mike Hackbarth]Started GCOR training this week. //schnipp//
So far I've had teachers from TX, KS, and now La Cross WI.


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Who is it from La Crosse?


CT

Mike Hackbarth
July 26th, 2006, 10:29 PM
John Fox is the teacher. Walks with a limp.

Mike Hackbarth
August 6th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Well passed the GCOR with a 94% thursday came home yesterday waiting to hear from BNSF this next week. ahhhhhhhhh

BoxcabE50
August 6th, 2006, 02:01 AM
No idea where they might send you? Hope it's not some awful armpit place to work! Good luck!

:omg:

Boxcab E50

Mike Hackbarth
August 6th, 2006, 02:08 AM
:embarassed: Still got to get the job first.

Charlie
August 6th, 2006, 04:00 AM
Congratulations on the exam and hoping you "get a bite" from the
"Bad Nasty Santa Fe".

Keep us appraised!

CT

vagabond
October 11th, 2006, 02:00 AM
:embarassed: Still got to get the job first.

Just stumbled across this post, and was fascinated reading all five pages. But it's kinda like reading a mystery novel, and finding that the last page has been torn out. I'm anxious to find out where Mike ended up!

Flash Blackman
October 11th, 2006, 02:03 AM
I think Mike H. was hired by UP. See this thread. (http://www.trainboard.com/grapevine/showthread.php?p=318841#post318841)

That is dated September 24th.

Mike Hackbarth
October 11th, 2006, 02:27 AM
Yes He is quite right. Was hired by UP on the 22nd of Sept. and just waiting to make sure that I've passed my Physical Abilities Test. If I have I start class on Nov. 6th up in North Platte,NE Apparently BNSF didn't want me:sad: ..........O'well there lost UP's gain:teeth:

Sorry didn't realize I never updated it. I worked for Renzenberger(Train crew transport driver) for about a month before going back to my old job (Mortuary Transport driver). Will be doing that until I leave.

Jim Wiggin
October 11th, 2006, 02:45 AM
Mike, good luck with your new job. I have been trying to get a job with BNSF since June. No luck for anything in the Galesburg area. UP is hireing in the Rochelle area as well as Sterling IL. I've been un-employed for only a week and have the possibilty of a good job at the end of this month, but if it doesn't work out.......

Keep us posted when you can!:thumbs_up:

Mike Hackbarth
October 11th, 2006, 02:50 AM
One of my good friends from class is going though training there in Galesburg right now. He started on Sept. 21st IIRC

vagabond
October 11th, 2006, 03:08 AM
Hey, thanks for the quick replies, guys...and congrats on the job, Mike!

Kevin M
October 12th, 2006, 08:23 PM
UP might be a better option right now anyways. At least in the Northwest division BNSF has hired way to many people. There is talk about layoffs for some of the real new guys and myself, I have been bouncing around terminals to keep work. I am in interbay now but with some changes coming up in they way they run things here I might be moving agine. My class for example is spread out in Interbay, Vancouver, Pasco, and Wishram, and the class after us is in Kalamath Falls. We were all hired in Spokane! If it gets real bad I might look into UP too.
Kevin

vagabond
October 12th, 2006, 10:56 PM
Sorry to hear that's happening to you, Kevin. Hope things pick up! Appreciate the tip, though. I wonder why UP is bringing in so many guys, and BNSF is slowing down?

BoxcabE50
October 12th, 2006, 11:32 PM
Kevin-

Bummer. Sorry to hear this. Guess I'm not surprised. Management these days, comes out of "college," (alleged higher education), with weird ideas, and easily questionable abilities. This is what happens to employees everywhere. Not just railroading. Hope it all gets smoother quickly for you!

:sad:

Boxcab E50

Adam Woods
October 12th, 2006, 11:57 PM
Sorry to hear that's happening to you, Kevin. Hope things pick up! Appreciate the tip, though. I wonder why UP is bringing in so many guys, and BNSF is slowing down?

Couple of reasons for all this. 1, BNSF got after hiring a bit sooner than UP, so UP is still behind the ball a bit. 2, some of the slow down is seasonal or up/down cycle thing. 3, BNSF is kinda warehouseing people for the future. The main point of this ramble is that it will come back.

Talk to the guys who hired out 10-15 years ago. They talk about going years before they could hold year round.
Adam

vagabond
October 13th, 2006, 12:08 AM
Does anyone know if BNSF and UP pay the same? Comparing apples to apples, if a conductor with BNSF and a conductor with UP have the same amount of seniority, and are both working steadily, would they be making roughly the same amount of money, or does one of the railroads have a better wage scale than the other?

Mike Hackbarth
October 13th, 2006, 12:19 AM
I do know one thing BNSF pays better when it comes to training. UP only pays $80 a day (first 3 weeks) can't remember what it is for BNSF. $80 a day is better than what they were paying.........Minimum Wage ($5.15/hr) for the first 3 weeks.

vagabond
October 13th, 2006, 12:35 AM
Interesting! How is UP's pay after three weeks?

Mike Hackbarth
October 13th, 2006, 12:49 AM
I'm not exactly sure about that. But after where R.C.O. trained we'll be paid at 80% of full instead of the 75% of full at the end of training. This is because of the BIG yard.

Kevin M
October 13th, 2006, 01:23 AM
BNSF pays a basic day of $135/16hr during training for up to 48 working hours a week. After 48 hours you do get time and a half ($25). BUT only time doing on the job training is eligable for OT, class time does not count so in one week you could work 48 hours OJT and 8 in the class for a total of 56 but you would not get OT for the last 8 hours becauce of the class time, you will get paid for all 56 but just no OT.
Once out of class there is 80% pay for certin jobs, just as a helper on a switch job or a brakeman. It does go up 5% a year though so after 4 you would get full pay for those jobs.
Kevin

Charlie
October 13th, 2006, 03:43 AM
[QUOTE=vagabond;324269]Does anyone know if BNSF and UP pay the same?

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The answer to that is a qualified YES.
Both railroads negotiate national contracts with the scheduled workers
via the agency of the NCCC (National Carriers Contract Committee?).
There may be minor differences due to types of jobs,arbitraries,switching moves etc, but the basic day rate is the same. Some commuter railroads may differ in rates and they negotiate
separately. Some locals within a Class 1 may also negotiate separately
with the NCCC, ie the Chicago Terminals(locals 171 & 620) have negotiated separately from the national due to differences in crew consist and basic day due to commuter service. The negotiating usually winds up in litigation,and the last time the contract was negotiated that way, the national vote had already been taken and decided while the two Chicago locals did not get a chance to vote on it until after the
fact. The Chicago locals voted the contract down,so it wound up being
ramrodded to us where the sun dont shine. The last contract expired at
11:59 on 12/31/04. A vote on a new contract has yet to be taken or even scheduled. The UTU hauled the carriers and the NCCC into court
over negotiating issues. I dont think contract talks have even been
scheduled. I get the monthly UTU newsletter and I havent read anything about talks going on, so I am guessing that a new contract will get force fed to the rank & file somtime late this year or early next year and then the whole stupid mess will take place again in less than two years,since the contracts are 4 years and almost never are retroactive.

Charlie

vagabond
October 13th, 2006, 07:42 AM
Thanks, Kevin and Charlie! I continue to be amazed by the depth of the answers to questions asked on these boards, and the generous willingness of guys like you to take the time to answer so completely. Sometimes I cringe when I ask a question, because I know y'all have probably answered it dozens of times in the past, but everyone has always been extremely helpful, and patiently enlightened me.

I think that's part of what is so appealing to me about railroading. Those of you "on the inside", so to speak, speak with such passion about it. Even when discussing negative things that are happening, like what Charlie had to say about the Chicago terminals, it's obvious he cares deeply. I realize every profession has its share of positive and negative, but it makes me want to be a part of this. Thanks, guys!

Charlie
October 13th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Thanks, Kevin and Charlie! . Thanks, guys!

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My pleasure!

Charlie

doofus
October 13th, 2006, 08:56 PM
[quote=vagabond;324269]Does anyone know if BNSF and UP pay the same?

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.... so I am guessing that a new contract will get force fed to the rank & file somtime late this year or early next year and then the whole stupid mess will take place again in less than two years,since the contracts are 4 years and almost never are retroactive.

Charlie

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Charlie
October 14th, 2006, 02:08 AM
[quote=Charlie;324321]

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I corrected the date. But I still dont see or hear of any negotiations
going on. The Chicago locals have voted "NO" to the last couple of
contracts and wind up entering into litigation to try to negotiate a
contract separately from the national and wind up having the national
contract legally forced on the membership.Much of the rest of the system on the BNSF does NOT have the peculiarities of operation that
we have in the Chicago terminals, ie the commuter operation, remote
switching terminals more than 50 miles from Chicago that have to have
their "holes" protected by the Chicago boards, an "inter-divisional" freight crew pool, two commuter engineer seniority lists(Chicago & Aurora), a "short" freight pool(Chicago-Savanna IL) plus there are freights that are operated by Galesburg based crews and UP run-thrus.
We also used to operate CN freights in the Chicago-LaCrosse WI pool but those moved to the WC several years ago and now the WC is owned by the CN/IC. We also have 2 active brakemen's extra boards
one for freight,one for passenger. Most divisions dont utilize brakemen
but then again most divisions dont have as many road-switcher(local)jobs as we do in this terminal area or commuter trains. The only other place where the BNSF operates passenger service is in the Seattle/Tacoma corridor for their commuter rail authority.

Help any?

Charlie

doofus
October 14th, 2006, 02:21 AM
"Never retroactive"???????????????????

Charlie
October 14th, 2006, 04:13 PM
"Never retroactive"???????????????????

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The pay increases,if any,or benefit changes are seldom(never during my
tenure)retroactive to the time the contract expired.What has happened
in the last few contract negotiations is that the bargainers were able to
get periodic C.O.L.A. increases scheduled in the new contract to cover the time between contract expiration and new contract ratification. These increases are minor and mostly to the basic day. The carriers
purposely drag their feet so as to avoid quick ratification and possible
large rate increase. They purposely put outrageous demands in their
Section 6 notices so that the unions will protest or litigate or in some way slow down or suspend contract negotiations. Of course the carriers will deny this, as they have denied so many of their other tactics. History is the proof of this comedy of errors. One such recent
example was the in the 60/30 retirement law change. The carriers went
along with this, but asked the rank and file to support the carriers demand to repeal the diesel fuel surcharge to the railroads,thus saving
the carriers hundreds of millions of $$$ annually. They blanketed us with
printed material,meetings with management,taped messages etc to
support their demand. We did! Now the carriers turn around and serve
their Section 6 notices AND also a demand to include crew consist negotiations in the national contract. Crew consist was never a part
of contract negotiation, it was by local agreement. This is the current
litigation that is delaying contract talks. To quote the current UTU war
cry,"They use us,then abuse us"! What has happened is that the carriers stroked the rank & file's fur to get us to approve their "carrot"
then turn around and try to eliminate the jobs of those who helped them.
AND THE RAILROADS ARE STILL TURNING A HEALTHY PROFIT, they give
their mucky-mucks big bonuses which were earned by us grunts on the
ground. Even the management-oriented "TRAINS" magazine states that
railroad workers are among the most productive of laborers and INCREASINGLY so!
Dont believe me, you can read & research it yourself!

Charlie

doofus
October 15th, 2006, 12:22 AM
There must be a lot of people who owe the carrier some cash!:omg:

NCMRailroad
October 15th, 2006, 03:24 AM
A dream of mine... To become a locomotive engineer! The thought of knowing that one is in control of millions of tons of something sooo massive is overwhelming. (CN Pacific Division)
Oh well, Model railroading ( 2 ibs or so) is about as massive as I will ever get! :confused2:
Rgd's,
NCMRailroad

BoxcabE50
October 15th, 2006, 04:31 AM
NCMRailroad-

Welcome to TrainBoard!

:D

Boxcab E50

doofus
October 15th, 2006, 06:07 PM
A dream of mine... To become a locomotive engineer! The thought of knowing that one is in control of millions of tons of something sooo massive is overwhelming. (CN Pacific Division)
Oh well, Model railroading ( 2 ibs or so) is about as massive as I will ever get! :confused2:
Rgd's,
NCMRailroad

Model railroading is a great outlet for those dreams:teeth: . You can pick and choose the times you are operating the train. You can also choose what you want to operate. That's not always true in the real world! :thumbs_down:

Charlie
October 15th, 2006, 10:40 PM
[QUOTE=NCMRailroad;324946]A dream of mine... To become a locomotive engineer!

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As was mine! But I can tell you from first hand experience, it is NOT
all it's cracked up to be. And until you get some seniority you will have
NO CHOICE as to what you get to run.
You run the risk of having happen to you what happened to me and that is to be "on the ground" for almost 3 years after having been trained & certified as an engineer and then they go and throw me on the passenger engineers extra board. And only having run passenger
service two different times as a student and/or requalifying. The carrier didn't care that that I might not be good enough to run commuter trains
on a regular basis.And DONT DARE MAKE A MISTAKE!!!!!
Fortunately I had already made the decision to retire, so I didn't actually work all that much as a passenger engineer. I was much more
capable with a switch engine!!! LOL

Charlie