BNSF not proud of their "heritage"?

[Dash]

Well it seems that BNSF is too involved in there Heritage paint schemes to keep their real heritage. So many BN locomotives are getting a fresh coat of pumpkin paint. Sadly, the GP38-2B has been repainted (so I hear) and their 20th anniversary is due for some fresh paint. Santa Fe helpers in Cajon have been placed with a set or two of Heritage I SD40-2s!

Well, sorry to see them go!

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[tunnel88]

I was always under the assumption it was now the Bigger Newer Santa Fe... No reason to keep the Green around.

I'm a childhood BN fan by the way...

[Alan]

I also love the 'pure' Santa Fe' and BN, but I also like progress :)

[Kevin M]

I love the Green and Black and Yellow and Blue, but BNSF would like to show there new image and as a railfan i am disapointed cause we will miss the paint schemes we grew up with, but Life must go on. At some point though you have to realize that the Burlington Northern and the Santa Fe are both gone and BNSF is here.
Kevin

[Dash]

Personaly, I don't mind the Heritage I color scheme. The B40-8s look really sharp in that, and unlike the already fading HII, HI seems like it has no ability to fade! I do reconize that BNSF is a company, and have to renumber old units and put there initials over everything, but I would like the oppertunity to see these units before they are sent for a Halloween Makeover

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[SSW9389]

Dash: I agree with you the H1 looks a lot better than the H2, too much yellow for me, but then again if it prevents an accident by being more visible it works.

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[SuperC]

Sorry Dash, i must agree with the consensus, this is BNSF,not ATSF or BN. Although i realize that BNSF is a combination of both SF and BN, it still is a NEW road. I too grew up loving the ATSF and during that time if it wasn`t blue and yellow or red and silver it did not exist. Thru time i came to also love BN. Now since the merger i reconize the new road as simply that.........NEW. SF and BN can and should hold special places in our hearts, but let`s all remember, here it is BNSF - 4 - LIFE ! Please don`t misunderstand me because i do feel your pain, but i take great pleasure in the fact that we are still an ALL AMERICAN railroad. The day that the Canadians become part of our road will really be a day for sorrow. So relax, sip on a cool one and enjoy the variety of paintschemes that is BNSF.

[Colonel]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Please don`t misunderstand me because i do feel your pain, but i take great pleasure in the fact that we are still an ALL AMERICAN railroad.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to question that statement Super C, isn't BNSF a public held company? This means shareholders from all over the world probably own part of the Company



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[Ed Pinkley#2]

hmmm.i think the war bonnett is a fitting tribute to the atsf.just think if they painted all the engines to look like the vommit bonnett.i definately think we are blessed with the orange and green.but i do wonder why the h2 paint is fading and the h1 isn't.oh well i do like the h1 better.

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[DakotaFan]

Wasn't the point of the Heritage II to be the Santa Fe Warbonnet, GN orange, CB&Q silver and NP/SP&S green? If that's not paying tribute to the heritage of BN I don't know what is. Don't get me wrong, I still get excited to see Cascade Green, especially if the headlights are still between the number boards where God intended them to be.
These days I'm just happy to see a train moving.

[SuperC]

Conductor, please don`t take my comments out of context. As we all know, stockowners, unless they are major which is a very small percentage of all owners come and go as they buy and sell,so in my opinion are not trully owners, more like renters. If what you are saying is really true then i should be able to get a cab ride,take photos on railroad property or get acess to any BNSF daily activites any time my hearts desire. Hmm, i wonder what they would say if i enquired into these areas?

[Dash]

The fact that both HI and HII colorschemes included the elements of the past was the first thing I noticed about both, and I think HI does a better job at this. The BNSF logo is basicly the same as Santa Fe, but with added green and Burlington Northern. The colors were inverse of GN, and the way the design of the colors were similar to that of Burlington Northern's Cream and Green SD70MACs. One element I like about HII is the BNSF logo on the rear of the unit. I realize that both schemes contain elements of the past, but I would like for them to slow down there painting process, and give the railfans a chance to see locomotives like Pacific Pride II and BN 1991!

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[Colonel]

I take your point superC although some companies do give shareholders discounts etc. It would be great if shareholders could get some benefits like Cab rides or at least information on train running etc

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[Ed Pinkley#2]

i thought i read in deisel era that the pacific pride units are both being scrapped.i hope its not true.did anyone else read that also?


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[tunnel88]

Was that in the latest issue? Which i haven't got yet... http://www.trainboard.com/wink.gif

[D21]

Its cool BNSF put the old ATSF "cigar band" on its HII Dash 9's. I really enjoy that feature. Also, after the BNSF merger, it was nice that they continued to paint a D-9 order the good old Warbonnet. It is however, really odd to see a Warbonnet with BNSF on the sides.

Scott

[Dash]

I am not sure about Pacific Pride, but I read in Deisel Era that Pacific Pride II is getting a coat or two of HI. I got "lucky" and saw BN 1991......
but the catch was it was renumbered to 9299 and was in HII.
Only a week after it was repainted to....

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[Gats]

The original Pacific Pride GP38 2075 blew a crankcase and was sidelined in Feb 92 It was replaced by GP38-2 2085 in April 92.
2075 was sent to the deadline at West Burlington and eventually rebuilt. I don't know the disposition of it, though I suspect 2075 would have been off roster by 95.
Anyone have the later BN Annuals?

Gary.

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[SuperC]

In response to the Pacific Pride inquiry, i just picked up the 2000 - 2001 BNSF Locomotive & Bussiness car review by Robert Del Grosso. On page 12 a photo of a BN GP38-2 2085 appears in the process of being sandblasted with a caption stating the BN geep was decorated Pacific Pride II in March of 1993 to replace GP38 Pacific Pride that had been severly damaged by fire in the engine compartment Feb.28,1992 and was later rebuilt as GP38-2. Both have been repainted into Heritage I. The 2085 in Sept,2000.

[braska]

Since the merger they should have stuck with 1 color scheme, not a new one every time somebody else came up with an idea. We shouldn't have War Bonnets, Heritage I's and II unless all are. Personally I like the green (BN side o thee house) but I feel the Oranage colors are more visable and "safer" just my opinion.

[SuperC]

Althougn i understand braskas point,i still feel that the current conglomeration of paint schemes that are BNSF today are what make this a truly interesting as well as colorful road to observe,photograph and track. No was more heartbroken than i when i found out that the most beautifull as well as notible paint scheme in t he world, ATSF`s Red and Silver Warbonnet was to be no more,but this is a result of progress and now we all ATSF, BN SP&S, Frisco, GN, NP and CB&Q fans have a road that is Bigger,Newer,Stronger and Faster. Yes we are BNSF, and we are BNSF 4 Life !!

[Dash]

BNSF's first color scheme was Heritage I. I can't say why they decided to go Heritage II on the wide cab models. I do know that the BNSF 700 series is painted in the old warbonnet color scheme. My theory for this is that SF already had them on order, and GE had tons of SF paint left. The SD75s lettered for BNSF were like that too, and used the old Santa Fe font for the numbers. I have no explaination for BNSF 4700s that are warbonnet, but I think I will stick to the same theory. I kind of like the concept that the wide cabs have a different color scheme than the standard cabs. The only wide cab HIs are the 900 and 1000 series C44-9Ws, and also the BNSF SD60M that VMV mistakenly painted for Heritage I.

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[Maxwell Plant]

AMEN!

I'm a ATSF fan first, BN and it's family's next and a BNSF fan 4 life!

<marquee>+ooo===ooo++ooo===ooo+BNSF FOREVER!+ooMoo+</marquee>

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[This message has been edited by Maxwell Plant (edited 20 December 2000).]

[Mike]

Sorry Dash, by I also agree with the consensus. I am still a big fan of BN (I love the green and black paint scheme, it's one of my favorites). But nothing can last for ever and its time to move on, BNSF is here, there is nothing we can do about that. So I think that we should look at the new paint schemes that BNSF has put out and enjoy them. http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

Mike

[Maxwell Plant]

Welcome to the Boards Mike! Are you just a railfan or do you model also?

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[Dash]

BNSF is a company, and i do understand their wanting to paint everything in their colors, but......

When you see 1 heritage II dash 9 in every locomotive consist it gets kind of old. I enjoy seeing a variety of color schemes in a consist, and a variety of locomotives. Dont get me wrong, I love C44-9Ws, but I am just afaid BNSF will be like Union pacific. They haven't changed their color scheme since....
The wings add variety, , but otherwise they are basicly the same!!!!!!!!!!!

My main point was that all the unique locomotives that I still need to get a picture of I am missing!!!!!!!!!!!

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[Mike]

Thanks for the welcome maxwell plant. To answer your question, yes I am a railfan and yes, I also model. Unlike you I don't model N scale, HO all the way! http://www.trainboard.com/wink.gif

Mike

[Maxwell Plant]

Nothing wrong with that, Amigo! http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif Freelance/Proto-Freelance or straight Prototype, we have forums for all and all scales too! We're funny that way... http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

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[D21]

Just a correction toward Dash:

The BNSF 4700's are not in Warbonnet, all of them were delivered in H2.

Scott

[Dash]

Just a correction toward scott:

Some early 4700s are warbonnet

For example:
Warbonet 4704 (http://archive.trainpix.com/BNSF/GEORIG/C44-9W/4704.HTM)

Cya down the line!

Dash
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[This message has been edited by Dash (edited 23 December 2000).]

[Craig Martyn]

You know, I like all the schemes! http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif!

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[SSW9389]

4700-4719 are in Warbonnet colors.

[D21]

Are they still in Warbonnet? Ive never seen one in my life.

Scott

[Dash]

BNSF 4700-4714 are indeed "still" in warbonnet. When BNSF got them, they were In Warbonnet, and Santa Fe never owned the Dash 9s in 4700s and 700. There are some differences between SF Dash 9s and BNSF dash 9s. The most obvious is that the BNSF ones say "BNSF" on te long hood. BNSF Dash 9s have 4 windows on each cab side, similar to EMDs wide cab window style, while Santa Fe Dash 9s have GE's conventional 3-window cab. The Santa Fe Dash 9s have 5 steps, similar to the C40-8Ws. As far as I know SF is the only company to have purchased this 5-step version of the Dash 8. BNSF Dash 9s have the conventional 6-steps and revised front and rear handrails found on most Dash 9s. BNSF 745, and some other 600-799 Dash 9s have been repainted into Heritage II. Some early 700 Dash 9s have Santa Fe on the cigar band, while most have the initials "BNSF" on them. BNSF SD75Ms also differ from Santa Fe SD75Ms. The Santa Fe units have "Santa Fe" written on the long hood, and have the patched number on the cab with "BNSF" written below. Santa Fe SD75Ms retained their same number, but with an 8 added to the front. For example, SF 211 became BNSF 8211. BNSF SD75Ms had BNSF written on the long hood, and early BNSF SD75Ms had their numbers on the cab written in SF's style font. Santa Fe SD75s were patched with BNSF's style font. Santa Fe B40-8Ws and C40-8Ws are kept in the same numbering plan, and several B40-8Ws have been relettered for BNSF, haveing BNSF placed on the long hood. Santa Fe C40-8Ws # 808, 812, and 814 have been relletered for BNSF, with #814's font being thinner and taller than #808 and 812. #822 has been repainted into Heritage II, and look similar to the Dash 9s at first glance. Dont be fooled, this is purly a Das 8. Santa Fe GP60Bs are also in the same numbering plan, and I believe some hae been reletterd for BNSF. GP60Ms are also in the same numbering plns, and some have been relettered for BNSF, and some have just had BNSF placed in small letters under the number. Most remain as Santa Fe got them.

Well, theres all the info I know on Warbonnet BNSF units! Feel free o tack on additional info!

Cya down the line!

Dash!
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[QTRAIN]

Sorry Dash, in response to your post on 12/20, you stated to the effect that the "heritage" scheme was the first BNSF scheme. No. Technically, the BNSF had 2 loco schemes at first-- the "Vomit-Bonnet", and the experimental SD60M that was painted with a different scheme on each side for the crews & personnel to vote on. In the meantime, while the voting decision was being reached, the EMD released red/silver units with the "BNSF" on their sides & noses; hence why the warbonnets had the red "BNSF" billboard lettering on their sides (i.e. SD75I's & 75M's for one...); and some of the BN cream/green SD70MACs had the green billboard on their sides-- qualifying these as the FIRST "BNSF" schemes. The heritage (Pumpkins) came a little later.

.....Thanx 4 listenin.....Q

[tunnel88]

Well the only comment i can add is, when is someone going to offer an excellent GE wide cab thinwall kit? http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

Sorry, i just had to throw that in!

[Dash]

Neither the BN, SF, and experimrntal schemes are OFFICIAL BNSF schemes, but if you did want to count those schemes, you might as well count the Dash 9s dilivered in primer grey too. Other people have different oppinions, but I dont count experimentals as BNSF color schemes, and as far as I know, have no official names. As for the Cream/Green and Warbonnets delivered with BNSF initials, I classify them as BN or SF color schemes.

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[Mankind]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tunnel88:
Well the only comment i can add is, when is someone going to offer an excellent GE wide cab thinwall kit? http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

Sorry, i just had to throw that in!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kinda off-topic with this one...but what the hey! http://www.trainboard.com/wink.gif Hi-Tech Details would be the most logical source for more GE cabs, but reportedly the owner has been disappointed with sales of his GE parts, and hasn't rushed to make a bunch of new stuff; I guess there aren't a whole lot of GE modelers out there. Hopefully this will change with the release of the HO Atlas B40-8, and even more so if they do the B23-7 in HO, too(both of which are models owned by BNSF..I guess that gets us back on topic http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif ).



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[QTRAIN]

Dash.....HUH??? On 12/25 you stated in so many words that the Heritage (Pumpkin) scheme was BNSF's 1st scheme...I replied later & said it wasn't (the Vomit-bonnet was B 4 that). NOW, on 12/30 you say YOU don't count that scheme...Now, last I checked, that locomotive is still VERY ACTIVE in that paintjob (as repulsive as that seems), qualifiying it AS A TRUE BNSF LOCOMOTIVE. So the Q SEZ: "Whether YOU like it or not, FACTS IZ FACTS -- VOMIT B 4 PUMPKIN, and THAT'S the way it iz!!!!"

......Thanx 4 listenin'......Q

[Alan]

I agree with Dash, that the first scheme that BNSF settled on was the Heritage 1. Whether you count experimental or test schemes does not really matter http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

The fact that there are still huge numbers of pre-BNSF paint schemes around, just makes life more interesting. Get pics. of them while you can http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

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[Dash]

I agree with Alan, it doesnt matter how you count it. The two experimentals are not BNSF official color schemes.

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Dash
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[QTRAIN]

Dash, first you say you count the experimental schemes. http://www.trainboard.com/rolleyes.gif Now, you say you agree with Alan by saying it dosen't matter how you count it? http://www.trainboard.com/confused.gif Did the BNSF create the Vomit-bonnet or not? Is the paintjob STILL ACTIVE on that unit or not? I dunno about you guys, but experimental or not, as long as the Barf ain't been repainted, it looks pretty official with me.

Oh, and Alan, I do agree with you...take as many pics as you can while it's all still here. http://www.trainboard.com/cool.gif ......Thanx 4 Listenin'....Q