BNSF Liveries

[Alan]

The new BNSF liveries have prompted heated comments in various places. What do you all think of them. Personally, I think they are great, I especially like the Heritage II, although I was doubtful at first, but it sort of grew on me!

[Interwest]

Personally, I HATE the H2!!
Heritage I is okay with me, the warbonnet looks even better, but all that orange and yellow on the H2 is just too gaudy.
H2 looks like some kids idea of a halloween painting.

[Alan]

I was expecting that!! HII might grow on you too - eventually :) I will really miss the warbonnet schemes, both the red/silver and the blue/yellow, they have been my favourite liveries for ages, but I guess we have to move on. BNSF is in effect a new business, and they need a new house style. We can always regret the passing of existing things, but we can also look forward to the new ones. During the change over period, we have a lot of variety at least.

[Maxwell Plant]

Every "new" paint job they've brought out has turned my stomach, http://www.trainboard.com/mad.gif but then, I grew to love them. http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif I was upset that my favorite Railway (SF) was merging with my second favorite Railway (BN). But then the logic of it all hit me and I moved on to real bliss! I love the BNSF! http://www.trainboard.com/cool.gif Galesburg, IL. is Meca to me and I also like to railfan along Ancona and Hoolihan Curves, Eldelstein Hill, and Cameron Jct., IL. Fort Madison and Burlington, IA. are also favorite spots to visit. "Big Muddies" in Burlington is a great place to eat. You can watch the trains cross the Mississippi from their River-side dinning area.

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[StickyMonk]

well i dont know if im the only one but im more upset about loseing BN cascade green than the SF war bonnet, but people say im strange.... http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

[espee2]

I like the heritage 1 & 2, 2-better, I love the red and silver war bonnet, except on an SD60M

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[mtaylor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StickyMonk:
well i dont know if im the only one but im more upset about loseing BN cascade green than the SF war bonnet, but people say im strange.... http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I grew up and currently live in the Twin Cites Metro in Minnesota. I grew up watching and modeling the BN (an some modeling with NP & GN equipment). I do miss the BN cascade green. However, here in MN there is still a ton of BN locos in operation. From a modeling perspective, this gives me the excuse to model BN,ATSF and BNSF locos (and of course some GN & NP because I like them and I said I could http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

If the BNSF and CN merger move foreward to create North American Railway, I sure we will see even more mixed and evolved schems. Hey, I now have an exuse to model some CN now as well, he he he.....

[Maxwell Plant]

According to the last news release I read on both the BNSF and CN/IC official web sites, BNSF remains BNSF and handles all US operations (including IC). CN remains CN and handles all Canadian operations. It's the paper and money side of this merger that will act as one, or so I understand. This opens a lot of possibilties in the area of the US I live in. The old Alton/GM&O Chicago-St.Louis mainline is currently owned by UP. However, UP has down graded this main and runs mostly locals on it. Their reason is stated as "it's a repeat line for us. The old C&EI/Mopac Line gets into Chicago easier. CN/IC owns the GM&O line from Joilet, north into Chicago. Access is very slow into Chicago from that line." Amtrak has gained by this due to less freight traffic to contend with. Here's the neat part, UP is looking for a buyer to take this line off their hands. If CN/IC owns the north access...hummmmm, I wonder who might look at this line into Chicago from St.Louis? It is fast track, double stack clearanced and ready for possible re-double tracking due to "High Speed Rail" development. It's also the shortest route between St.Louis and Chicago. I just don't know who might take a look at it. http://www.trainboard.com/wink.gif But back to the paint. Don't look for a Can-Am paint job for this merger anytime soon.

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[This message has been edited by Maxwell Plant (edited 01 April 2000).]

[mtaylor]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maxwell Plant:
According to the last news release I read on both the BNSF and CN/IC official web sites, BNSF remains BNSF and handles all US operations (including IC). CN remains CN and handles all Canadian operations. It's the paper and money side of this merger that will act as one, or so I understand. This opens a lot of possibilties in the area of the US I live in. The old Alton/GM&O Chicago-St.Louis mainline is currently owned by UP. However, UP has down graded this main and runs mostly locals on it. Their reason is stated as "it's a repeat line for us. The old C&EI/Mopac Line gets into Chicago easier. CN/IC owns the GM&O line from Joilet, north into Chicago. Access is very slow into Chicago from that line." Amtrak has gained by this due to less freight traffic to contend with. Here's the neat part, UP is looking for a buyer to take this line off their hands. If CN/IC owns the north access...hummmmm, I wonder who might look at this line into Chicago from St.Louis? It is fast track, double stack clearanced and ready for possible re-double tracking due to "High Speed Rail" development. It's also the shortest route between St.Louis and Chicago. I just don't know who might take a look at it. http://www.trainboard.com/wink.gif But back to the paint. Don't look for a Can-Am paint job for this merger anytime soon.

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Now I am confused (imagine that!). Will CN and BNSF road equipment run on both lines? (nevermind that I sometimes see CN locos mixed in, so I still have an excuse to model some CN http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif what is the url for the CN?

Thanks

[mtaylor]

Nevermind, I found the CN website.



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[bnfan99]

as far as i am aware the ns and the other major railroads are fighting the merger. the ns is worried about loosing their business. but the of course when the stock hits $12 a share they should be. but anyway david goode the ceo of the ns put out a memo to all employees explaining that this isnt the time for such a merger and that they plan on fighting it to the surface transportation board. thats all i know for now.....any updates and i'll let ya know.

[Maxwell Plant]

bnfan99,
Go to the BNSF official web-site, www.bnsf.com (http://www.bnsf.com) , Krebs seems to have the support of a few railway unions and other Big Businesses. I'm not real sure this will get pushed through either, but you never know...If it does, I guess you and I will have to go on a CN N-Scale Loco buying spree! http://www.trainboard.com/cool.gif

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Brent Tidaback

[RS27]

Back to the orignal post... Does anyone have objections to the new lighter shade of orange that is appearing on the H-2 units? Certainly doesn't add to the visability of the yellow lettering on the sides. Does anyone know if this is an "official" change or just a variation by a particular paint shop?

[bnfan99]

i dont have any objections. personally i like the the old bn black and green,then the cream and green 70 macs,then the pumpkins 1 and 2 scheme.

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[Alan]

If it's BNSF, it's OK http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

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Alan

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[Gats]

For my money, the green is too light... needs a lot more black in it and the orange/yellow is missing the blue. http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

[ChicagoRailfan]

The Pumpkin scheme reminds me alot of the old Great Northern colors after which it is modeled.

For those who haven't heard, BNSF is phasing out the Warbonnet scheme. No new locos will be painted in the Warbonnet scheme. So, get your cameras out and get as many shots as you can, they'll be history before you know it.

[Alan]

Hi ChicagoRailfan, welcome to Trainboard http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

Yeah, a famous livery will eventually disappear, but it will be a while yet I think. But we must get the shots while we can, time flies!

Not so easy for me though, a twelve-hour flight is needed before I can get my camera out http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

Hope to be over again later this year or early next.

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Alan

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[Alan]

I have seen references elsewhere to a BNSF 'Vomit Bonnet'. What does this refer to?
Any idea anyone? Sounds derogatory !!


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Alan

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[Mankind]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alan:
I have seen references elsewhere to a BNSF 'Vomit Bonnet'. What does this refer to?
Any idea anyone? Sounds derogatory !!


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"Vomit Bonnet" refers to BNSF SD70MAC 9647 that was painted in an experimental warbonnet scheme using the BN SD70MAC colors. The "bonnet" and side sills were painted dark Grinstein green, while the long hood was painted Grinstein Cream. "Burlington Northern Santa Fe" was spelled out on the hood, in Grinstein Green, Santa Fe style lettering. On the nose, a red and cream cigar band with green "BNSF" lettering completed the scheme. Not too attractive, in my honest opinion!

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Have A Nice Day!

[Maxwell Plant]

Yes, it made me want to HURL! http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif But I've come up with a better paint scheam!

Bonnet: Orange
Body: Green
Bonnet out-line: ATSF pinstripe yellow
Body Lettering: BNSF (yellow)
Nose Herald: Yellow with BNSF lettering in black

It's basically the same colors as the H-II, but using the Warbonnet design. I'm thinking of doing one in N-Scale on a SD60M.

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Brent Tidaback

[Alan]

Good idea Brent, post the resulting photo. http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif


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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

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http://eurogallery.homestead.com

[Pugsley]

If you ask me, you cannot get any uglier than the "Heritage" series. Heritage? what are we celebrating the heritage of? A bowl of Candy Corn would be my best guess.

Oh well, pardon me for being bitter, I grew up watching the ATSF schemes, and don't think that BN would ever be able to compare anything to a real warbonnet with SANTA FE on the flanks.

[Alan]

Well, Pugsley, welcome to Trainboard, even if you are saying derogatory things about my favourite road ! http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

Aw c'mon, you may grow to like BNSF one day, I too love the Santa Fe, but things inevitably move on http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

www.ac-models.com (http://www.ac-models.com)
http://Andersley.homestead.com
http://galleryusarail_tehcaj.homestead.com
http://eurogallery.homestead.com

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[Johnny]

Does anyone have a count on how many liveries are currently in use on BNSF? As an easterner I don't see how anyone can complain about BNSF paint schemes, they all look good to me. After spending three days in the Crawford, NE area last June I highly recommend that any eastern photographer looking for sparkling color and variety head West. It certainly beats anything we have here.

[Alan]

Thanks for the comments Johnny, welcome to Trainboard! Western roads do certainly have the colour, now is the time to have a look, before too much repainting is done http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

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http://Andersley.homestead.com
http://galleryusarail_tehcaj.homestead.com
http://eurogallery.homestead.com

[DakotaFan]

I first became aware of the term "Railfan" when I joined a model railroad club in the early 80s. Most of the members were moaning the dissapearance of the GN, NP & CB&Q. I no longer belong to that club, but the members are still lamenting the loss of the GN, NP & CB&Q. In the meantime I have enjoyed: Cascade Green, Tiger Stripes, Paleface, Desert Storm, Grinstein Green, Warbonnets, Bluebonnets, Double Stacks, Fuel Tenders, DF40-2s, 200+ car Coal Trains dubbed "Supertrains", Heritage I and Heritage II (I feel it does include the influences of its Heritage roads [GN, NP, AT&SF]). Have you ever stood next to an SD70MAC in HII? Pretty impressive! In the next 5-10 years we could be down to two major railroads in North America, the UP and whatever the BNSF/CN becomes. HI and HII will be disappearing too. Take your BN and AT&SF photos now and enjoy the past, but embrace the present because the future is as close as the next mega-merger!

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[Alan]

Well said, Dakotafan. The present is all too fleeting, so get the pictures of everything NOW as what is commonplace now may soon be history, and we will be moaning about the disappearance of now-common paint schaemes.

By the way, before I became interested in American railroads, and the term 'Railfan', we in England were called 'Trainspotters' - a sort of derogatory term! I will stick with 'railfan' http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

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Alan

The perfect combination - BNSF and N Scale!

www.ac-models.com (http://www.ac-models.com)
http://Andersley.homestead.com
http://galleryusarail_tehcaj.homestead.com
http://eurogallery.homestead.com

[friscobob]

As a Frisco fan, if it ain't Mandarin orange & white, it ain't worth shooting ( http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif )
Seriously, of all the BNSF colors out there,
I like the Heritage 1 colors, as they remind me of the Great Northern (can't remember who was slamming this scheme, but that fellow obviously hasn't seen color photos of GN
power- they're neat!). The Heritage 2 looks
like a pimpwagon to me. And even tough I do
like the "Fleet" colors (warbonnet on the so-
called SUperfleet), when they weather, they're ragged. RIP Warbonnet....
I get to see just about all the BNSF
schemes on the trackage rights trains thru
Grand Junction, and on one occasion even saw a simon-pure BN Caascade Green SD40-2 power
consist.
My 2 cents' worth.....


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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.

[jrhmem]

H1, H2 or C-green, as long as it's NOT LRC, GATX, EMD. The newer the paint, usually the unit is clean and everything works. The ATSF war bonnet -8's look ratty (also inside). Only problem with a "pumpkin" repaint SD40 is the door seals are brittle. Makes for "very" cold rides in winter.

[BN4EVR]

Well, for my money, Cascade Green beats them all. It didn't fade much, and was easy to spot. The HII is really growing on me, but I have noticed that the orange is fading fast on some of the units. I saw three brand new Dash 9-44CW's head west out of Fargo yesterday. 4699, 5499, and 4698. It seems that the newest ones are being numbered down from 5499. Reminiscent of the B32-8 demonstraters from the 80's

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[Maxwell Plant]

Welcome to the Boards BN4EVR. It was my understanding that the reason BN put the stripes on the nose of the Jolly Green Giants was to keep the engines from hiding in the brush. It's kind of hard to hide Red, Yellow, Sliver and Black. http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif It's also hard to hide Bright Orange. http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

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Brent Tidaback, Member #234

[DakotaFan]

Actually I believe it was the competetive roads that forced the BN to become more visible. They were afraid of a BN ambush!!!

[Maxwell Plant]

Thank God Armour Yellow shows up so well! If it didn't, we'd all be speaking UPiees! http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif DOWN WITH THE BORGE!

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Brent Tidaback, Member #234

[espee2]

Does anyone remember the "yellow bonnet" used on ATSF F-units, it was awesome. http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif To bad they can't come up with something close to that. How about- orange bonnet, yellow stripe (between bonnet and hood color) silver hood, green lettering? http://www.trainboard.com/confused.gif did I make anybody hurl? http://www.trainboard.com/eek.gif

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[mtaylor]

Vommit Bonnet Part Two?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by espee2:
Does anyone remember the "yellow bonnet" used on ATSF F-units, it was awesome. http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif To bad they can't come up with something close to that. How about- orange bonnet, yellow stripe (between bonnet and hood color) silver hood, green lettering? http://www.trainboard.com/confused.gif did I make anybody hurl? http://www.trainboard.com/eek.gif

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[BN4EVR]

I had thought of a Cascade Green and Silver warbonnet-type paint scheme. Picture if you will a red/silver warbonnet. Now substitute green for the silver part, and silver for the red part. Some nifty white striping on the nose emblem, and voila! A mean, green, pulling machine!!!

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[Gats]

dude... http://www.trainboard.com/frown.gif

[mtaylor]

I too would to see a cascade green loco.....but this just sounds painful http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BN4EVR:
I had thought of a Cascade Green and Silver warbonnet-type paint scheme. Picture if you will a red/silver warbonnet. Now substitute green for the silver part, and silver for the red part. Some nifty white striping on the nose emblem, and voila! A mean, green, pulling machine!!!

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