Most needed plastic HO scale loco

[BNSF_9999]

What is the most needed PLASTIC HO SCALE MODEL locomotive you think is needed???I want a SD50,SD60,SD60M all I can think of right now.

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marshall

[This message has been edited by BNSF_9999 (edited 29 May 2000).]

[AFN]

I cant speak for the modern modellers out there, but I would like to see a readily available GP-7-9-18 etc... Also readily available GE U-boats such as the U-25-b. I realize Proto 2000 and Stewart produced these but on a limited basis. Athearns GE's and GP-7 have hoods that are too wide. The GP-7 and 9 were two of the most popular models of all time but are scarce on the HO market.

[Mankind]

MP15 in regular and AC versions.....and BTW, BNSF_9999, you won't have to wait much longer for an SD60....the P2k one should be out in a few months.

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Have A Nice Day!

[BNSF_9999]

Ooh I know I said locomotives but ANYTHING you want in Plastic list it here.I changed my mind because I remembered something else I wanted.I want an Amtrak California Cab Car I know Overland makes them but the budget for a 15 year old is not that large.If you have no idea what a Amtrak California Cab Car is I can e-mail you a pic. http://www.trainboard.com/eek.gif

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marshall

[Interwest]

How about Some of these?:
C32-8 http://www.trainboard.com/eek.gif
B30-7 (both A and AB Units)
add all the OLD Athearn Units, especially the U25, U28 and U30.
While we are at it, how about a re-release of the Atlas C30-7, and U33C/U36C?? http://www.trainboard.com/cool.gif
As for modern:
SD70MAC (not for me!! http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif )
AC60CW
SD90MAC (also not for me!!)

[BNSF_9999]

Interwest your not a fan of modern power or something???
True a SD90AC is needed but the shell is allready made by RPP but is a pain to relocate the headlight locations but that is fun to do to me. http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

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marshall

[StickyMonk]

http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif i wonder if anyone can guess what id like.......... yup an Alco C636 even though i model the present time

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[friscobob]

I personally would like to see Athearn come out with all scale-width-hood diesels.
Since I model no newer than November 1980
(the BN-SLSF merger), I can get most of the
diesels I need in the marketplace for my Frisco roster. I would like to see a B30-7
come out (hey RPP, are you listening?), as
well as a RTR SD38-2.


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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.

[BN4EVR]

StickyMonk,

I agree with the C636. I am currently trying to build a cast-resin kit of a CN MLW M636 made by Associated Model Makers of Ontario to resemble one of the Burlington Northern C636's. I have had to do a LOT of re-engineering to this kit, as it doesn't even come with wheels. There is no provision for mounting the trucks, and there is no rigidity to the thing at all. I had a friend of mine cut a steel plate the same size as the walkway piece so the frame doesn't flex under pressure. It will be a while before it is painted and ready for operation, but I'll try to remember and post a photo or two when it makes its maiden voyage.

[AKrrnut]

I agree with Sticky Monk. SP&S had a bunch of C636s, yet the only models I've ever seen are overpriced Overland brass models. Hurry up, Stewart! http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

Pat


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Wishin' I wasn't so far
from the railroad...

[Interwest]

Originally posted by BNSF_9999:
"Interwest your not a fan of modern power or something???"
Actually, I have mostly modern Power, but as an all-GE road, most of the modern GE's have already been made by Athearn (C44/AC44/P42).
I also have some "older" power, chiefly C30-7/U33C/U36C, but need the C32-8 shells as IWRS took over Conrail about 18 months ago, and we mostly use them on the Western end of the line.
The real loco and cars I am waiting on are the F59PHI (just gonna switch out the truck sideframes to GE FB2 http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif ), California Cars (Brass WAY WAY outta my budget http://www.trainboard.com/rolleyes.gif ), and the Bombardier Cars (Christmas, maybe Athearn?? http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif ).

[Chessie_SD50_8563]

(Is it just me or did everyone just take over conrail http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif )
I could use a good SD50 (Athearn)


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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[BN4EVR]

Speaking of the F59PHI. The July Model Railroader (page 42) reports that Athearn will produce this locomotive in plastic. Models will be decorated in Amtrak California, Amtrak Northwest, Amtrak West, and various commuter railroads. Sheesh!!! Are there Athearn Superliners in the future as well???

[BC Rail King]

GMD1 is green and gold for the CNR interchange train on the layout that I run on.

Happy Railroading!

Dane N.

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[Interwest]

BN4EVR-
Athearn Superliners????? http://www.trainboard.com/rolleyes.gif
I can see Athearn possible making the California Cars, unless Walthers beats them to the punch bowl.
As for Walthers, they already make the Superliner II series in Phase IV, and has just announced the Superliner I series in both Phase II and III paint.
Also, their P32-8 will be released in Amtrak Phase IV (aka Intercity). DOUBLE http://www.trainboard.com/eek.gif
Personally, the "Pepsi Can" paint is MUCH BETTER than the Phase IV. http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

[BNSF_9999]

I just asked Walthers if they were going to be making Amtrack California Cars so as soon as they E-Mail me back I will let you guys know. http://www.trainboard.com/eek.gif

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marshall

[Chessie_SD50_8563]

as for the california cars and talgos I think athearn is coming out with them
Units I want to see.
SD50
C32-8/C39-8 (your not the only one who wants one interwest)
SD45-2/38-2 (Athearn could do one using the SD40-2 chassis)
SD40/39/38 (all done on a athearn SD45 chassis)
SD80/9043/90MAC/H/HII (maybe I am asking to much with all the variables)
SD70MAC (athearn)
C30-7/C36-7
B30-7/B36-7
C40-8/W that actually runs

heck all the extra shells could be done by someone other than Athearn and use athearn chassis and be ready to run (anyone remeber the old old old Walthers E60CH. Walthers shell modifyed athearn chassis).


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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[BNSF_9999]

this is from Walthers website:932 - Walthers Kits
Manu Item Description Scale Price In Stock Expected
932 6153 85' Streamlined Superliner I Coach/Baggage -- Amtrak - Phase II HO 25.98 N 28-Aug-2000
932 6160 85' Streamlined Superliner I Coach -- Undecorated HO 25.98 N 28-Oct-2000
932 6161 85' Streamlined Superliner I Coach -- Amtrak - Phase II HO 25.98 N 28-Oct-2000
932 6162 85' Streamlined Superliner I Coach -- Amtrak - Phase III HO 25.98 N 28-Oct-2000
932 6163 85' Streamlined Superliner I Coach -- Amtrak - Phase IV HO 25.98 N 28-Oct-2000
932 6170 85' Streamlined Superliner I Sleeper -- Undecorated HO 25.98 N 28-Sep-2000
932 6171 85' Streamlined Superliner I Sleeper -- Amtrak - Phase II HO 25.98 N 28-Sep-2000
932 6172 85' Streamlined Superliner I Sleeper -- Amtrak - Phase III HO 25.98 N 28-Sep-2000
932 6173 85' Streamlined Superliner I Sleeper -- Amtrak - Phase IV HO 25.98 N 28-Sep-2000
932 6181 85' Streamlined Superliner I Diner -- Amtrak - Phase II HO 25.98 N 28-Aug-2000
932 6182 85' Streamlined Superliner I Diner -- Amtrak - Phase III HO 25.98 N 28-Aug-2000
932 6183 85' Streamlined Superliner I Diner -- Amtrak - Phase IV HO 25.98 N 28-Aug-2000
932 6190 85' Streamlined Superliner I Lounge -- Undecorated HO 25.98 N 28-Nov-2000
932 6191 85' Streamlined Superliner I Lounge -- Amtrak - Phase II HO 25.98 N 28-Oct-2000
932 6192 85' Streamlined Superliner I Lounge -- Amtrak - Phase III HO 25.98 N 28-Nov-2000
932 6193 85' Streamlined Superliner I Lounge -- Amtrak - Phase IV HO 25.98 N 28-Nov-2000



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marshall

[Mankind]

Ok.....my ultimate wish list for good-quality HO locomotives:

1. MP15 (DC and AC versions)
2. SD45T-2
3. B30-7/B36-7
4. B23-7/B30-7A (the RPP shell needs a TON of work to make it accurate)
5. SD40 and SD45 (ones that are affordable and available year-round, unlike the K-company....Athearn, are you listening?? http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif )
6. SD35
7. C40-8 (the Bachmann one isn't all that great IMHO)


I'd also like to see SD39's and SD38-2's, but since they are such low production models, I doubt we'll see one mass produced soon....kitbashing them isn't all that hard, or maybe someone like RPP would step in and make a shell for them. Overall though, I think the hobby is going through a great time period....just look at all the great models that are being released!


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Have A Nice Day!

[BC Rail King]

Mankind-Athearn is doing the SD40 now!

Happy Railroading!

Dane N.

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[Chessie_SD50_8563]

BCR. Athearn makes the SD40-2 not the SD40.

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[friscobob]

I was in my local hobby shop today, and I spotted a RailPower Products SD38 shell with
chassis. Looks like all it would need is the
power trucks, motor and drive train from another Athearn 6-motor (SD40-2), plus the
appropriate details to model an SD38-2 (or
just an SD38), and there you go. The SD60
chassis/frame sets are also out there. Since
the SD60 and SD50 are externally alike, you
could model both.
Those are the only options available until someone comes out with R-T-R models.


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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.

[Mankind]

Welllll.....it's not quite that easy for the SD38-2, at least by using an RPP SD38. The Dash-2 units are longer thanks to the HT-C trucks, so the Athearn SD40-2 trucks won't fit on the RPP frame. Also, there are a few other differences between the SD38 and SD38-2, like the length, dynamic brake hatch, air filter box, cab and sub-base, doors, etc. The best way to go would be to rework an Athearn SD40-2 with a new radiator section (possibly graft-on the one from the Athearn GP38-2, or rework the existing one with a Plano fan hatch and Cannon grilles). It sounds more tedious then it really is. When you've got plenty of photos and drawings to guide you, it really isn't all that bad....and kinda fun! http://www.trainboard.com/wink.gif Check out http://espee.railfan.net/spsd38-2.html for some Espee SD38-2 pics. And speaking of SD50, anyone else see the latest issue of RailModel Journal? Very nice DRGW SD50 modeling article! A great example of what can be done with Cannon parts....


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Have A Nice Day!

[StickyMonk]

i built my GATX SD38-2 from kitbashing an Athearn SD40-2

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[Interwest]

Chessie_SD50_8563 originaly wrote: as for the california cars and talgos I think athearn is coming out with them.
Cali Cars either Walthers or Athearn.
As to the Talgo in HO/N Scale, Marklin already makes the European versions, and I have heard that they are planning on releasing the US version sometime in 2001. Marklin officials were at the Talgo America Inc. headquarters about 2 weeks ago, getting measurements, photos, etc. Probably doing research.
The only thing that differentiates the European Talgo from the American version is the fins on the baggage/power cars, and the makeup of the sets.
Marklin, just add the fins!!!!
With Athearn's F59PHI literally just around the corner, I think the Talgo cannot be too far behind. Altho if Athearn releases the Talgo before Marklin does, I'll eat crow! http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif

[Denis F. Blake]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BNSF_9999:
What is the most needed PLASTIC HO SCALE MODEL locomotive you think is needed???I want a SD50,SD60,SD60M all I can think of right now.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is an easy one for me, Baldwin Centipede. Even though they are just a bit early for my modeling era, I can change that, I would certainly like to see a high quality plastic model of one on the market.



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Denis F. Blake
TTHOTS

[BC Rail King]

Oops, SD40-2, SD40, same thing if you have a drill. There is an N scale Talgo coming out from a Canadian Co. before October (they said August).

Happy Railroading!

Dane N.

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[friscobob]

Well, as you may or may not have heard, Atlas has announced the upcoming release of a
GP38. Scale-width hood, much better details than the Atlas/Roco engine (which I have 4 of, and which still run fine), and in several
paint schemes as well as undec. Scratch one off the "wish list"- it's here!
Wonder how they'll run with Athearn's GP38-2s????????????



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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.

[BC Rail King]

Man, talk about alot of GPs in HO latelly! Just wondering, is there really that much demand for all the different styles? If I am correct Athearn too just redid there GP40 (?) or 38 (?) so why would Atlas come in with competition.

Happy Railroading!

Dane N.

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[Mankind]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BC Rail King:
Man, talk about alot of GPs in HO latelly! Just wondering, is there really that much demand for all the different styles? If I am correct Athearn too just redid there GP40 (?) or 38 (?) so why would Atlas come in with competition.

Happy Railroading!

Dane N.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Simple: Athearn's are Dash-2, Atlas is not. Athearn didn't redo the GP38-2 or GP40-2, but the SD40-2, which is quite different than an SD40. The prototype Dash-2 model line was introduced by EMD in 1972 as an improvement over their previous GP/SD 38,40, and SD45 models, most of the changes being internal in an effort to increase reliability and maintainability. The external differences between GP/SD 38, 40, SD45 and their Dash-2 counterparts are subtle, but to modelers, are important. The SD40-2, for example, is slightly longer than the SD40. The SD40-2 also has a few other differences than the SD40 in regards to the truck type; most SD40-2's, with the exception of Conrails, ride on HT-C trucks, which are longer than the Flexicoil-C trucks SD40's came equipped with. Also, SD40-2's had a slightly different cab, battery box and sub-base doors, electrical compartment access door, and depending on what year it was produced, nose length, anticlimber, radiator fans, radiator grill style and exhaust stack could vary. Differences between the GP38/40 and their Dash-2 versions are similiar to the ones I mentioned above, although the Geeps used the same frame and are the same length. Trucks could vary on GP units though; most early Geeps rode on the familiar Blomberg B trucks, but with the Dash-2 units, EMD offered a modified Blomberg with a different brake and suspension arrangement. Also, the arrangement of the access doors for the radiator compartment are different on the GP38/40 units than on their Dash-2 cousins. There are a few variations here and there, but those are the most major differences that come to mind. Lots of little details that make modeling EMD units so much fun....excuse the length

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Have A Nice Day!

[BC Rail King]

I know the difference between the 2 models, but looked a a NEW ATHEARN GP, and an older GP38, and there was a clear difference in quality.

Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.

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[Chessie_SD50_8563]

You know. We need a MP15DC/AC/T to be made by someone other than con-cr*p... I mean con-cor

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[LCSO_927]

If I was a model company I'd make a GP39-2. I can think of six different paint schemes I've seen on these just in Oregon, and I know there were a lot of them used throughout the rest of the country. The layout I'm planning to build in the future is going to need a whole mess of them.

[BC Rail King]

GP39-2 eh? Got any pics?

Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.

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[friscobob]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BC Rail King:
I know the difference between the 2 models, but looked a a NEW ATHEARN GP, and an older GP38, and there was a clear difference in quality.

Happy Railroading!!

Dane N.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have two variations of Athearn's GP38-2- one with the early version radiator intakes,
and one with the corrugated air intakes. The
early offerings came out with the shorter fuel tanks on the chassis, while I see the later ones now with the "correct-size" fuel
tanks (well they are to me, anyway, since I model the Frisco).
The only other variation Athearn could come out with would be a tapered paper air filter, or one with a later version traction motor blower vent. We can model these now with Cannon detail parts.........




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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.

[friscobob]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LCSO_927:
If I was a model company I'd make a GP39-2. I can think of six different paint schemes I've seen on these just in Oregon, and I know there were a lot of them used throughout the rest of the country. The layout I'm planning to build in the future is going to need a whole mess of them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'll bet the Santa Fe modelers would like one
too! http://www.trainboard.com/smile.gif




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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.

[Chessie_SD50_8563]

Athearn did fix up the GP40-2 and GP38-2 shells quite a few years back (I mean many) but athearn offers many variations on radiators and fuel tank size even trucks.

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[StickyMonk]

some scale U boats would be nice as well, id like a U25C

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[Chessie_SD50_8563]

aboslutely

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[Chessie_SD50_8563]

Did I mention a CHESSIE SD50! http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[Chessie_SD50_8563]

oh I forgot is someone going to make the H8 2-6-6-6 alegeny soon. I would like that. I like any chessie or C&O

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!

[Mike C]

How about an N&W pacific and some good quality 55 ton hoppers.(P2K,Intermountain are you listening?).....Mike

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Its only Money !!

[Bos]

I'd go for a good running fairly accurate Shay.(translated modifiable) Brass is too spendy for my RR. to justify.

[tunnel88]

I see this thread has been revived...


Tops-

How about BNSF 9999(an SD70MAC for those that don't love the Bigger Newer Santa Fe http://www.trainboard.com/biggrin.gif)
A huge number have been made and not one plastic model. Genesis guys, get on the ball!

SD70MAC
GP39-2
MP15 series(DC,AC and i guess T for you CSXers)
Dash 7 Bs(23,30,36)

[StickyMonk]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bos:
I'd go for a good running fairly accurate Shay.(translated modifiable) Brass is too spendy for my RR. to justify.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

welcome to Trainboard!

what about the new bachmann spetrum 3 truck shay? im not to hot on these locos so i dont know if it will be an accurate loco or not....


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[Bos]

I'm out of touch, are we talking HO scale?

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[Bos]

Thanks for the heads-up StickyMonk. I just cruised Walther's website and found out about it. Expected delivery in Dec., Jan. makes it possible to budget it too. It'll really help the logging sawmill historical plausibility problem. THANX AGIN. Bos.

[ChrisDante]

Whew, I read through two pages of stink pots, what no one wants a little steam. Oh yea, the shays and heislers are neat, but look at them in brass,(too rich for my blood).
I think I'll leave this to you modern folks.

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When in doubt, empty your magazine.

[friscobob]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chessie_SD50_8563:
Did I mention a CHESSIE SD50! http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif http://www.trainboard.com/tongue.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So, how close is the P2K SD60 to the SD50 model?
I know Chicago and North Western rans SD50s and SD60s together in power consists, and the only way I could tell the two apart was by the numbers- SD50s were in the 7000s,
while the SD60s were in the 8000 series. No
telling what number they have now in UP's scheme of things.....




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Ship IT on the Frisco!
Bob T.
http://hometown.aol.com/slsf1630/myhomepage/profile.html

[Mankind]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by friscobob:
[/b]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So, how close is the P2K SD60 to the SD50 model?
I know Chicago and North Western rans SD50s and SD60s together in power consists, and the only way I could tell the two apart was by the numbers- SD50s were in the 7000s,
while the SD60s were in the 8000 series. No
telling what number they have now in UP's scheme of things.....


[/B][/QUOTE]

Pretty close....main spotting features between the SD50 and SD60 are the number of access doors underneath the radiators.



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Have A Nice Day!

[StickyMonk]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ChrisDante:
what no one wants a little steam.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i would like a 0-4-0 (without belpair firebox) for light industrial use i dont mean a tank engine either, would be nice to have one that ran well



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Matthew
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[Chessie_SD50_8563]

I P2K does not decide to make a SD50 I might buy a SD60 and have it painted for chessie.

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Theres no such thing as having to many coal hoppers or GP40-2 when you model Chessie System
LONG LIVE THE KITTEN!!!
LONG LIVE BIG BLUE!!!
I looked at DCC... and stayed DC!

[tunnel88]

Didn't the Chessie SD50s have the pointed anticlimber?

Most folks wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway. Take a look at this- http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/emd/sd50/doors.jpg