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stefano
May 2nd, 2011, 01:53 AM
HI
I have just add a new model in my collection
It is the ALCO RSD-4/5 road switcher 5294 of the SP
This locomotive has a black paint scheme with the front and back parts in silver and on the side a orange orizzontal stripes
Can someone tell me in what period was this paint scheme used?
Thanks very much for your reply
stefano

BarstowRick
May 2nd, 2011, 02:30 AM
I don't know me thinks I will need to send you a bill...grin!

This isn't the prototype but I liked what I found here: Southern Pacific Alco RSD-5 Photo Gallery by Rob Sarberenyi at pbase.com (http://www.pbase.com/espeef5/sp_rsd5)

You might find this one interesting: http://espee.railfan.net/nloco.html

And if you dig around the previous web address you will find this: http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/rsd05_photos/0174_tno-rsd5-don_jewell.jpg

stefano
May 2nd, 2011, 03:17 AM
Hi Barstowrick
thanks again for your reply
I have to rectify the question in that i was mistaken about the orange stripes
The loco has a black overall colour
it has silver front and back ends
Its right/left sides have small litle dash/stripes a tiger like stripes
On both side of the hood its logo southern pacific in orange
What period is this paint scheme representative for ?
thanks again
stefano

BarstowRick
May 2nd, 2011, 03:19 AM
That was a early paint scheme that SP tried out. You should find it on the last website address I gave you.

stefano
May 2nd, 2011, 03:41 AM
Hi Barstowrick
Unfortunately i cannot find this scheme
the loco RSD-4/5 is numbered 5294

bremner
May 2nd, 2011, 04:37 AM
Rick is right. http://espee.railfan.net/rs-tiger.html
http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/rsd05_photos/0157_tno-rsd5-david_ellzey.jpg

BarstowRick
May 2nd, 2011, 04:58 AM
Thanks Bremmer, for the kind words.

Now we can all rest having found it.

stefano
May 2nd, 2011, 04:42 PM
Thanks Bremner and Barstowrick
for the help
In another reserch i have done it seems that the tiger striped paint scheme for switcher survived until the early 60's
Can you confirme this? I am trying to fit this ALCO RSD-4/5 in the very early 60's time period
thanks very much
stefano

Flash Blackman
May 2nd, 2011, 04:52 PM
This photo from 1965 (http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/rsd05_photos/2858-2872_sp-rsd5-yardclerk.jpg). See Richard Percy's Espee Modelers Website. Ex T&NO engine.

stefano
May 2nd, 2011, 05:25 PM
HI Flash
thanks for the nice pic
I can see that the loco fuel thank was painted over the stripes at same points possibly at later stage
Does anybody know if this was a rule for all the locos or if was applied at random ?
thanks for your reply
stefano

bremner
May 2nd, 2011, 07:51 PM
Stefano, the tank stripes are a factory item, when the SP/T&NO repaintedthe units, they almost never painted the tank stripes again, since they were harder to mask

stefano
May 2nd, 2011, 10:28 PM
Hi Bremner
thanks very much for your reply
regards
stefano

stefano
May 4th, 2011, 02:02 AM
I know that the tiger stripes paint schemes was officially phased out in 1958 but could switchers locomotives like the RSD-4/5 be find in this tiger stripes paint scheme in the early 1960's?
thanks for your reply
stefano

USAF_Andrew
May 4th, 2011, 02:49 AM
I am about 90% sure there were some around in the 60s. They just stopped painting them in the scheme in 58, and repainted them by attrition. They didn't go out of there way to paint them untill they really needed it.

stefano
May 4th, 2011, 01:47 PM
Hi USAF Andrew
thanks very much for your much appreciated reply
stefano

Mike VE2TRV
May 4th, 2011, 02:26 PM
I agree - it usually takes about ten years (sometimes more) before an "old" paint scheme is completely replaced by a new one. On the CNR, one could still see some green-and-yellow locos in the late 60s (or later) even if the official paint scheme was the black and red "noodle" since about 1961 or so.

BarstowRick
May 4th, 2011, 05:12 PM
That all be true.

A lot of the RSD's kept their original paint scheme until their demise.

stefano
May 4th, 2011, 07:03 PM
Thanks very much for the precious information always very much appreciated!

Last sunday there was a national convention here in Cape Town South Africa of the railroad modelers and vendors
It was the only one around here were i leave for 7 years
I found not much of new items but a lot of second hand locomotives by Atlas
I bought some of them all ATLAS ho and they appear to be in a not too bad conditions but they were heavily used and needed a clean up
I like old transitional era diesels like ALCO's and EMD's
I love American railroads which i repute to be the real essence of railroading and i very much prefer ATLAS since i started playng with my N scale european trains when i was in Italy
Most of the locomotives are from the mid 1990's some of them were produced by ATLAS only once
I am struggling to find information about them but here i seem to be getting on with my reserch thanks to the knowledgable members of this website
thanks again
stefano

BarstowRick
May 4th, 2011, 07:25 PM
You are more then welcome.

Sounds like loads of fun.

Those Atlas loco's aren't bad and should serve you well. I still have some of the early N Scale ones from the 70's plying the rails of my layout.

A friend who operates an HO layout has one of my early Atlas GP9's, with a Kato Mechanism and now with a decoder, running around his layout. Look for the older locomotives with the Kato drive mechanism. They are a real "Find". Grin.

For F type of units FT's, F3's, F7's. For N scale you can look at InterMountain and Kato.

Seems to me you said you were working with HO. In that case I would point you toward Athearn and Stewart with the Kato drive mechanisim.

You are certainly living in a interesting place. Some what envious.

stefano
May 4th, 2011, 11:32 PM
Hi Rick
Do some of the Aethern locomotives HO have Kato motor or mechanism ?

USAF_Andrew
May 5th, 2011, 02:26 AM
Ok, I checked my refernces, and I am finding pics of units in tiger stripe as late as 1966.

stefano
May 5th, 2011, 02:31 AM
HI Andrew
Thanks very much for you help on this one
much appreciated
stefano

bremner
May 5th, 2011, 04:19 AM
this loco was traded in to be rebuilt into a RSD12 in 1960....

USAF_Andrew
May 6th, 2011, 12:26 AM
I should clarify a bit, I was meaning tiger striped locomotives of any type appeared to last that long.

stefano
May 6th, 2011, 01:04 AM
No problem there Andrew perfectly understood
Thanks for pointing out this detail Bremner
regards
stefano

stefano
May 12th, 2011, 03:25 AM
Hi Guys
as far as the atlas model of the RSD-4/5 SP concerns with the tiger stripes/aluminium ends paint schemes as it is
I think it was delivered with this paint scheme [delivery date 1953]
In your opinion

Can this loco be prototopical for the time period 1953-1960 [retired 1960] in this tiger stripes/aluminiums ends paint scheme ?

thanks so much
stefano

bremner
May 12th, 2011, 03:32 AM
with that number, I doubt it. It would most likely be in Widow by 1960. I would renumber it to a T&NO unit

BarstowRick
May 12th, 2011, 05:14 AM
Got to like that logo aka avatar... Stefano.

Looking mighty sporty.

stefano
May 12th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Hi Bremner
Was it delivered in 1953 in tiger stripes/aluminium ends ?
Until when would be prototopical to see this RSD-4/5 in this paint scheme ?
thanks
stefano

bremner
May 12th, 2011, 09:50 PM
Stefano, the RSD's were delivered in 1953 in road tiger stripes. Loco's that ran on th west coast/Tucson Division were repainted quickly to Black Widow not long later.

http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/rsd05_photos/5298_sp-rsd5-yardclerk.jpg

and were being repainted into Bloody Nose soon after.

http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/rsd05_photos/5306_sp-rsd5-don_jewell.jpg

stefano
May 12th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Thanks Bremner
nice pics appreciated
When you say quikly not long later how long is that later?
In your opinion how long did it last on this locos before black widow repainting ?
thanks again
stefano

bremner
May 12th, 2011, 11:07 PM
can't really say, BUT the first roadswitcher painted into Black Widow was #4800, in Dec. 1953, and the Bloody Nosewas introduced in 1958....and I have seen very few of the SP (non-TN&O) RSD's painted in Road Switcher tiger stripes, I would guess 2-3 years before their first paint job. By 1960, allof the RSD5's were in either Texas or Louisiana

stefano
May 12th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Thanks again Bremner
your guess should place this RSD-4/5 SP in a prototopically correct time span of the MID 1950's
thanks again
stefano